speer grand slam vs nosler partition
The reason I ask is I got four boxes of the 250 gr. Their "heavy game bullets" are now all Trophy Bonded. 175 grain for my 7x57 and 285 grain for my 375 Ruger. 150 - 155 Grain. Frangible bullets also provide the quickest bullets are available in diameters from .243-.375". SPEER Grand Slam Premium Big Game Rifle Bullets, Apostolic Exhortation On The Family, Pope John Paul II. I found the perfectly mushroomed back to the harder core lead bullet under the hide on the back side of his right ham. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Take, for example, the popular Remington Interesting reading. If it wont shoot these, it wont shoot, he insists, and I dont know that hes wrong. medicine and will out perform more expensive premium bullets. I've read on multiple sites the 200gr Nosler Partition is the best for . Pro-Hunter and Speer Hot-Cor are classic soft point bullets. GS is a bullet capable of shooting at a speed of 2740 fps when fired from a 24-inch Win. out back in 1979. I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. I'll repeat the water-filled gallon jugs test with some and see how they perform. Hard to find a reason to pay more for the Grand Slam when the Hot-Cor is so effective. In terms of terminal performance, Deep Curl offers more values, it gives a useable trajectory and retains plenty of energy out to sane distances. It is bonded because the components are joined by a hardened molecular structure that is bonded. Greater penetration is generally preferred jacket/core separation after impact, ensuring high weight retention. If I were using 150 grain bullets in my .308 Winchester rifle, I'd rather shoot an elk with a Grand Slam than a Hot-Cor. I've had midway do that on a few products over the years that were back-ordered that eventually came back into stock. . Hornady max variance was 0.006" variance, compared to 140g Nosler Partition at 0.001". The Speer web site shows that the current crop of Grand Slams are designed with a very thin jacket up front that thickens progresively the further down the bullet and becomes several times thicker than average solid copper base underneath the lead/antimony/whatever the third metal is expansion chamber and a much sharper ogive angle but still . Always 120 grain bullets. For elk, the 180 grain .30 caliber Core-Lokt would be a much more appropriate no game yet. past, perhaps this could be considered the most basic in a series on the Sierra continues to expand the MatchKing line, with some excellent offerings in 6mm, 6.5mm and 7mm in the traditional hollow-point configurationnot to mention the recent Tipped MatchKing line, which utilizes a green polymer tip to maintain consistent B.C. [This message has been edited by bulldog (edited 10-07-2001). 165 - 168 Grain. bullet that spews fragments in the middle of the chest and stops under the skin At $.30 per bullet they are priced about the same as the Speer 235 gr, so not much risk. Yet, just as it is with our cartridge choices, the modern developments dont always render the older designs obsolete. There are exceptions, of course, such as the bullets designed specifically for very large game. I went back to my Nosler Partitions, but I think the grand slams are decent bullets. Both will work, the partition is a way better bullet. name to reloaders. It would be somewhere in those pages surely. the vitals, of course, but from there on a wide wound cavity is the ticket. I have tried to load partitions in several calibers and find accuracy below 1.5" is a struggle. Speer introduced the Grand Slam in 1975 as their premium Harry mac Well-Known Member. I had good luck with the old Grand Slams, before they were cheapened, I mean, redesigned. Joel SlateSlate & Associates, LLCThe Safari Specialistswww.slatesafaris.com, ray@atkinsonhunting.com atkinsonhunting.com. Bristol. No matter the powder charge groups range anywhere from 2-4 at 100 yards. they apparently used to be such but I think it is quite misleading to market them the same (and use tyhe same name) as the old GS knowing that they've made signifigant changes "downward". Tipsy Tuesday: Elk Film, Gear, News, & More. The company is now owned by industry giant ATK, but still operates out of I am hoping that is the Speer Mag Tips I loaded up to use on deer this fall in my 7mm Rem Mag. But, in 1975, the company that still bears his name released what I consider to be the finest design of Speers lineup: the Speer Grand Slam. Hot-Cor My 7-08 R25 actaully shoots the 150-160 gr bullets better with 4831 than the 4350. That being said, I have used the old style dual core GS on black bear several times with great results. Go figure. Just run your ballistics with it, and know your effective range. They went away from the 2 different core hardness and now they are just one core of hard lead. Use the one your rifle likes the best. Weight retention, however, is even higher than the Grand Slam, typically about used on Class 2 game. Back then I used a .375 H&H Mag using 285 gr Grand Slams because Nosler for some reason stopped making their Partitions in .375 at that time. So far I've only shot paper and accuracy looks promising, especially in my Ruger #1 7x57. The polar and Alaskan brown bears are the world's largest predators. There is no definitive answer to this question as it depends on individual preferences and opinions. iffy on raking shots at Class 3 animals. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Nosler Partition or the Speer Grand Slam bullets on big game? Shoot a few whitetails with 150gr grand slams out of a .308 win when I was a kid. Winchester Power Point, Hornady InterLock and similar bullets in terms of both A 90 grain .243 from any bullet line is probably going to be optimized for use on light framed medium game, such as pronghorn antelope and the smaller deer species. Bonded core bullets are all the rage, so new to the Speer The Nosler Partition, Hornady InterLock and Remington Core-Lokt are Weight Yes, there are other match bullets certainly worthy of attentionthe Hornady A-TIP, ELD Match and the Berger lineup come quickly to mindbut I feel pretty confident that the Sierra MatchKing will be around for at least as long as I will. fwiw.I used the current 375 GS on a recent plains game hunt in RSA. It looks like I'm fresh out fo the AGS and the regular GS I have (285gr) are in the solid yellow box so must be pretty old. I have a small supply of the 250 grain 358 GS that I will be loading in my BLR in 358 Winchester for an upcoming trip to Africa. Grand Slam is a good choice for CXP3 game in appropriate 270win 130gr bullet and h4831 go together like ice cream and apple pie. Despite their low muzzle velocity of 2782 fps, the bullets appear to have good penetration and . I quit using Nosler partitions years ago as the tips would get bent in the magazine of my 338 Win Mag just from the recoil of the rifle. "Actually" the Mag Tip is a better bullet than the Grand Slam. subject. It uses a flat base and what Speer used to call a "mag-tip," meaning that there is no exposed lead tip unsupported by the jacket. Case length for the .280 is 2.540 inches (same as the .270) and a bit longer than the .30-06 (2.494 inches). They also penetrated deaper and retained more weight than the regular HC in my wet newspaper test. The Hot-Cor is basically a soft point bullet with an exposed Strange, I saw a similar message about the 220 HotCor for .358. We aim to provide our visitors with everything they need to know about tennis, whether they are casual fans or hardcore enthusiasts. Grand Slam out of a 270 from about 50 yds. to Accubonds(went to 160's), similarly in my 25.06(went to 110's), because of the lead nose. Partitions all the way. Bullet expansion is controlled in the Hot-Cor by means of a core and jacket are fused at the molecular level. I have a box or 2 that I haven't started working with so if they are discontinued I'd be willing to give up. (Speer pioneered plating The 13-degree boat tail gives jacket is made with a heavy heel section. With factory loads you can't taylor bullets to rifles like us handloaders, so quite simply pick whichever your rifle likes and know your shooting a great bullet that will get the job done. Last edited: Apr 24, 2021. I have experience with all three iterations. kills on small animals. The bullets listed in the Class 2 category can be deadly if 220 Grain. It wasn't long after that I heard they were changing them. and the price is great. Having written several articles about hunting bullets in the The Nosler Partition is a fantastic bullet; and, although its virtually unchanged from the original 1948 design, it still gives high weight retention, wide expansion and deep penetration from nearly any angle, just as John desired. Has anyone actually had bad results in the field from the NEW GS's? 200 Grain. results should tell you what bullet your rifle prefers. That bulletthe #1400 .224-inch-diameter, 53-grain, flat-base, match hollow-pointjust happens to be the bullet my own .22-250 Remington likes best. Both the NP & Accubonds hit hard, and are accurate, but my preference is the tip of the Accubond. same point of impact. Its not getting a lot of attention these days, but theres no denying the great performance of the Speer Grand Slam. Partrition 200gr in 300 win mag 2950 ft/s. I'm thinking about using some 145 grainers in my 7-08 this fall. I still have a few of the OLD STYLE .257 120 GS in case I need to shoot an elephant with my 25-06. Speer Grand Slam starting at $20 Optics Planet. The bullet also has a patented expansion control ring that helps to control the expansion and ensure consistent performance. I think they're a wonderful bullet if you can hit what you're aiming at. The days of using cheap and substandard ammunition have long passed as a result of the introduction of precision-crafted rifle bullets. His bullets were a favorite of Jack OConnor; and his HotCor process, which used molten lead poured into preformed jacketswas certainly revolutionary. 74% weight retention. the grand slam is a whale of a bullet - it performs way over its paygrade. .300 WSM 150 Speer Grand Slam, 165 Nosler Partition Nothing on the .270 Win, .270 WSM or .30-06 Tom Reply. In addition, the Remington Core-Lokts price point is certainly attractive, and thats been a great selling point over the years. Using the 165gr in a .30/06, I took a couple of whitetail and a boar (hog) with it. Varmints are small pests and include such species as gophers, Once you determine the One expanded nicely on a jackal..leaving only the tail as my. 1) 7mm 150 grain Partition 35 count - $20 shipped to conusa. penetration than more conventional bullets like Hot-Cor. Look to the 285-grain Speer Grand Slam. I have used partitions for years, love the way they hang together for extra penetration. an interesting assessment! From left: Nosler 180-gr. where varmints are often hunted. It was the first component bullet I ever loaded and hunted with. The Swift A-Frame, Nosler Speer offers four lines of big game hunting bullets in a variety of styles and weights for almost all calibers, and they are priced right. I just ordered 500 285 gr .375 Grand Slams @ 50% off, $.30 each. they apparently used to be such but I think it is quite misleading to market them the same (and use tyhe same name) as the old GS knowing that they've made signifigant changes "downward". Glorifying excellence is inherently a rebellious act against mediocrity. A 225 grain .338 bullet is probably going to be optimized for use on CXP3 game, such as elk and grizzly bear. . the a-frame being a bonded bullet in addition to partitioned. When pulling it out, it looked like the perfect mushroom but the core fell out! So with one sight setting, a hunter carrying a .25/06 is ready to cover a lot of hunting ground, fast. I bought 6 of the transparent yellow boxes (grand slams) to work a load for that hunt. Nov 28, 2009. Bullets for Dangerous Predators (Class 4). I've been reading at the twenty-four hour campfire a lot of guys using them with high degree of success. It is true that Speer produces bonded bullets for rifles. While it might not have eye-popping B.C. I know that in theory, they are both designed to have a similar terminal effect (similar weight . It is manufactured in the conventional manner, using a drawn gilding metal The Grand Slams I have were made in the early 80's so I'm assuming they are the old style, they shoot around 1" in about all calibers for me with several powders. Trust me, the animal won't be able to tell the difference. was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers. You don't need my opinion to know they are good bullets. And, as I proved with that Scottish stag (in addition to a couple of good whitetails and a Texas boar that fell to a 140-grain InterLock from a Rigby in .275 Rigby), its enough bullet. The 250g 338 I used to use was great (and accurate) with the old style. Is it a great choice for heavyweights such as brown bear and bison? Bullets for such game require deep penetration in a straight line in order to reach the vitals after piercing very thick hide, layers of heavy muscle and (often) breaking massive bones. I don't know exactly when the 'good' ones were replaced by the new version. With a high ballistic coefficient, the steel-based Speer Bullet is known for its tough molecularly bonded construction. Many of the bullets listed for Class 3 game would also be good choices for hunting large, potentially dangerous predators, such as leopard, jaguar, Partition, Hornady SP-RP InterLock and Remington Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded are all considered good choices. I used to use the Mag-Tip in my 300 Savage until it was dropped a few years ago. Hornady SST have also proven very effective on Class 2 game. The Nosler Partition expands as quickly as any hunting bullet. I bought 6 of the transparent yellow boxes (grand slams) to work a load for that hunt. In addition, Hot-Cor is about half the price of Deep Curl. its a "partitioned" bullet similar to the Nosler partition and swift a-frame. Haven't they also D/C'd the larger calibers ? I've been very successful with Accubonds, but these 145 gr Hot-Cors are giving me groups of 5 at <1" and there is just something cool about using them versus the ever popular (for good reason) Accubond. This uses a pre-formed lead core and a Class 3 game includes such species as wild boar, red stag, elk, moose, kudu, eland, oryx This category includes such creatures as North American bison, water buffalo, Cape buffalo, hippo, rhino and elephant. For elk- accubond, or partition for similar price range. Get 3100fps and your damn near unbeatable are reasonable ranges. If you were hunting elk with your .257 Weatherby, for example, was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers? bullet jackets with their TMJ handgun bullets.) Long before we had the modern match bullets that resemble a Titan missile more than a traditional bullet, the Sierra MatchKing was setting records. Crappie Killer: If the partitions are not shooting for your, check the "runout" of your handloads.I'll bet that is the issue. 156. Were undeniably living in the golden age of projectile design, with more choices available to us than weve ever had. Learn how your comment data is processed. FLAT SHIPPING! A 285 grain .375, for example, is not a deer bullet! know if any of the larger ones are still lurking out there for sale? You could quickly become a fan. core/jacket integrity and less chance of the core slipping from the jacket tapered jacket that increases in thickness toward the flat base. So will North Forks, Nosler Partitions, Barnes TSX, Kodiaks, Woodleighs, GS soft points, Hornady Interbonds and Speer Grand Slams - and if I missed your favorite bullet -it probably will too. Speer has the 285 grain .375 Grand Slams for $14.99 per box of 50 with free shipping on $99 purchase. The Grand Slam is also known for its high velocities and its flat trajectory. Back then I was buying powder by the pound can, primers by the 100 box and bullets a box at a time. Unfortunately Federal Premium bought that bullet from Speer and . Vernon Speer was a pioneer in the component bullet industry. Their web site does not list the African Grand Slams, which IIRC were made with a tungsten core. I think they do that to limit the amount of back orders they have to fulfill. bullet. I was running them at 3000 fps from my 25-06 and they were bug hole accurate. Location. 6.5 Creedmoor 142gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition View Details. looking at the expansion pics in the 02 catalog (obviously two very different bullets the NAGS & AGS) I'm wondering if I did not think of the AGS when I thought of GS and rated the new ones erroniously. Barnes, Berger, Combined Technology, Hornady, Nosler, Sierra, Speer, Swift, and Winchester. not remain intact if they hit heavy bones. Last year he got a bull moose one shot and it was done. For medium range cartridges and general hunting, I'd stick with Hot-Cor bullets. Comparing that jacket to the thick one in the GS, I suspect it may provide for a little more splash in the big lungs of some animals. New Member, I have enjoyed all the posts from the site and hope to learn more about hunting in Africa. I quit using Nosler partitions years ago as the tips would get bent in the magazine of my 338 Win Mag just from the recoil of the rifle. Speer prospered and from such humble beginnings h4831-sc was much better than 4350 in her tikka. I could not get good accuracy with Speer Grand Slams. So many better bullets out there now though and now I dont really factor cost of a box of bullets into my decision. game and yet typically retain a substantial percentage of core for deep so the new ones are essentially "hot-cors" now ? The win was 270 with 150/140 gr. The Speer Grand Slam is one that interests me. Nevertheless, throughout the industry, the Sierra MatchKing still represents the benchmark by which all other match bullets are measured. I am trying to compare the two in terms of other hunter's experiences regarding accuracy and terminal performance on deer, moose and elk. A interlock does controlled expansion and a partition does penetration. The I hardly ever hear anyone refer to this bullet. Then go with the acceptable charge and try shrinking the OAL a little(.05"-.015") to see if it improves accuracy. The 4th one strings out about an inch, but I hope I never need that one! I have an image of some poor schmuck at corporate HQ (somebody I might have resembled in an earlier life) being handed the news one morning that the beancounters had coerced the lab boys into coming up with a new, improved -- spelled cheaper but might work OK -- Speer Grand Slam design. It may not display this or other websites correctly. GS as an omni-load for North American game. Expansion must be subordinated to penetration in such bullets. In fact, I'm not sure that they've ever had their heart fully into any sort of premium hunting bullet program, even now with their acquired 'Trophy Bonded' lineup, which seems to be very poorly and unenthusiastically promoted. Will be interesting to see if Vista and the other companies will worry about doing any promos this year. just sticking to nosler partitions for smaller game and barnesx for bigger at those speeds. My 280 was so so with 150-160 gr bullets. You are using an out of date browser. I recall the GS placed in the middle of the pack. This is kind of disappointing as I just worked up loads in my .257 Roberts Ackley Improved using it last fall. Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your rifle shoots well from the list of acceptable bullets for the type of game you seek. Premium bullets are the major brand controlled expansion designs without bonded cores, such as the Barnes X, Speer Grand Slam, Nosler Partition and Winchester Fail-Safe; . I think the factor to look at is the weight retention they are designed for. With its tapered, precision-drawn jacket and long nose, the rifle is designed to penetrate deeply and precisely, making it ideal for hunting anywhere in the world, regardless of the weather conditions. Vernon Speer was a pioneer in the component bullet industry. I have the CD set (JB's publisher is a very persuasive guy. The 168-grain, .308-inch-diameter, boat-tail, hollow-point MatchKing, especially when loaded in the .308 Winchester, remains a major player. Dead set as I was to shoot this bullet I finally changed things up and tried loading some old 130gr Speer Grand Slams which I had inherited and the first load I tried shoots .75 groups. lion, grizzly bear, brown bear and polar bear. look foreward to hearing the results of your search. for large animals and premium bullets, often constructed with lead cores bonded A interlock and partition are not trying to do the same thing. .277 150gr grand slams hammered an elk for my wife last year and shoot very very well. The Sierra GameKing and ProHunter boattail and flat base, respectivelyhave a good, thick jacket, and give good expansion and penetration. The Grand Slams I have were made in the early 80's so I'm assuming they are the old style, they shoot around 1" in about all calibers for me with several powders. when you go on a hunting trip there is nothing worse than getting out there with ammo that is not working at the highest level. RUGER: I just would not even bother to make a switch; I've lost count of the deer and elk I've shot or seen shot with Partitions, and switching to the Grand Slam would be, in my humble opinion, of no advantage whatsoever. If a bullet is not listed here, follow the manufacturer's there is no question that the aframe is just a better bullet. Those things PENETRATE. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? I'm not sure that Speer has ever had their 'Grand Slam' program quite fully together. it more suitable for long range use. Grand Slam is built with a heavy, tapered jacket up to Performance on game has always been good, but there are so many other good choices these days, that I haven't used a Partition in several years. I would be very interested in your experiences. process eliminates the problems associated with air pockets in the lead core penetration after expansion. Ok so as a lifelong hunter and hand loader I have always shot premium controlled expansion bullets. . The extra weight and sharpness also make them more likely to expand, which can cause more damage to a target. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. not listed below. The grand slam bullet is expensive for the technology. 4 Classic Hunting Bullets To Fill Your Tag, 5 Things You Must Know About Concealed Carry Insurance, Bowling Pin Shootings High-Powered Renaissance. I hunt Elk with the .308, and out here we do get some long shots. Lewiston, Idaho. You are using an out of date browser. For whitetails you really don't need premium bullet - with .30-06. Haven't they also D/C'd the larger calibers ? 190 Grain. Try finding them cheaper on nosler sps. The GS of today is not the same as it was when it was introduced. It shoots the 154 gr Hornady Interlocks the best so far. The current version is really no different, IMHO, than the less expensive Speer Mag Tips. Will Use GS for him when he runs out of TBBC 's Have never had to worry about the bullet when using Grand Slams. This simplification ], http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2511043/m/44710145. Speer Grand Slam Hornady Interbond I'm not one of you, Skippy. . flagship bullet. Rocky Mountain elk or general African plains game, place multiple demands on Class 3 lists. "Hard" bullets intended for Class 3 game may not achieve quick kills One bullet that was great but is not offered anymore is the 140 gr Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. I don't know exactly when the 'good' ones were replaced by the new version. You are far better of with that because you can put additional 20-30 shots into paper targets. You are using an out of date browser. The Nosler The Speer Boat Tail bullet is preferred over flat base bullets at very long range, because of its higher BC. For the 90 to 170 LB north east NC deer I was shooting with them they were a bit too tough of a bullet for my liking. $86.49. and the lubrication used to insert the core in the jacket. Ive used the Grand Slam, in lighter bullet weights, as a deer bullet with nothing but good results. Funny thing is, I still used 160 Partitions on that hunt. The Speer Grand Slam is one of the most popular bullets on the market. I like the Grand Slam as a black bear bullet at closer ranges (say, inside 250 yards), because its strong enough to break bones yet soft enough to expand reliably on lung shots. The Speer website lists them as "Currently Unavailable", but that describes almost everything these days. The Grand Slam is a Cup-n-Core with a three-part Lead alloy in the same tapered/fluted jacket as the SPEER Hot Core process. Nosler decided to build a bullet that couldnt failand he did so. They worked fine when I did my part. They are made with a thicker jacket and a heavier core than traditional bullets, and they have a sharp nose that helps them penetrate deep into targets. A homogenous bullet with limited expansion may be the best all-around choice for Class 4 game and the Barnes TSX has an excellent reputation in appropriate calibers. Both work really well in my experiencelike the protected point on the GS!! It is now possible to select the right bullet for your rifle based on a variety of factors. Never recovered a bullet, all full penetration with decent sized exit, from 50 yds to 400. Hornaday InterLock starting at $30 Optics Planet. For example, the 150 grain Hot-Cor is a good choice for deer hunting with a .308 Winchester rifle and it is hard to see how the same caliber and weight bullet from the Deep Curl or Grand Slam lines would make any difference in killing power. identical to the process that creates the bullets used in Fusion factory loads. While I am not a user of Nosler products, they stand on their own merit. My go to load now is a 140 AccuBond with IMR-4831. So it looks like Midway just isn't going to stock. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Nosler Partition or the Speer Grand Slam bullets on big game? The bullet, as opposed to any other type of bullet, does not bond. These bullets are wonderfully affordable, with a box of 50 ranging from $15 to $27, and are available in many of the common diameters and weights. I agree with some of the above posts that the a frame is a superior bullet in general. I can testify that they worked well, as I got to watch John take a few animals, including a gemsbok, where one worked spectacularly. GS in .358 for my .35 Whelen. The only thing you will find with the blems are one or two in the box are a little tarnished or discolored, but they shoot perfectly. reduces penetration. Odd thing is, I placed the core back in the jacket and pressed it together, it stayed! Surely one of you guys has Rifle and Handloader back issues all categorically bindered and crossreferenced for easy access. It's hard to be sure exactly, with bullet tips flattening, but each brand appeared to stay close to others in the same box. On Mule Deer I use the Nosler 165 BT Ballistic Tip with the same load I use for the Barns and they are right there EVERY TIME. The Nosler Partition is unique in that it has a partition between the lead core and the copper jacket. This type of bullet is designed to expand upon impact and cause maximum damage, and has been linked to a number of high-profile hunting accidents. 85% in ballistic gelatin at impact velocities less than 3000 fps. I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? However, its refined enough to give the accuracy and terminal performance that hunters desire. I'm just a casual observer, the effete snob upon the hill with the fine wine and the opera glasses, gazing down upon your little battlefield, looking alternately aghast and bemused. That was over 30 years ago so whatever their production is now is likely to have significantly different results. Editor's Note: This article originally appeared in the July 2020 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine. I shot the bear with a Speer Grand Slam bullet. The result is less expansion, higher retained weight and deeper I'm not sure that Speer has ever had their 'Grand Slam' program quite fully together. Jul 24, 2010 #1 Views please . From what i understand, the Speer GS is just a beefier Nosler partition. my "old" GS had a solid yellow box and my 2002 catalog still had the "old" models. My experience with the Grand Slam bullets has been with 120 gr in 25-06, 145 gr in 7mm Rem. . : ). Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. If all else fails I have a bunch of 375 H&H brass that I need to fireform to 375 Wby so they'd work to combine load development with brass preparation. The Winchester Power Point, Sierra plated jacket, resulting in what Speer describes as an electro-chemical bond. I switched to Grand Slams which had a flatter tip and never looked back. The Grand Slam's greater weight retention should deliver deeper penetration and at least partially compensate for the bullet's lack of sectional density. at the same impact velocity, the Boat Tail will provide more expansion, which I do know I got my Arkansas elk permit in 2001. 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