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They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. So. And so. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. In recent years, number of reported cougar sightings has never dropped below double digits, according to data from New Hampshire's Fish & Game Department from 2010 to present day. The last wild mountain lion in New Hampshire may have been killed in the White Mountains in 1885. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. The sightings have not been confirmed; in fact, there have been no confirmed mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire since one was shot and killed on the seacoast in the 1850s, said Patrick Tate . So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. You saw what you saw. Jun 13, 2011. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. "Of those three to five reports, one. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. Car Crash 65 Miles From Mass. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. Peter Biello: Wow. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Kansas officials think a mountain lion recently roamed through Shawnee County. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. Really appreciate it. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. The cougar is also commonly known as mountain lion, puma, mountain cat, catamount, or panther. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. Something along those lines. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Caller: I do. Can you look into this picture. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. How far were you from this cat. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. There are corollaries in other states. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. Thank you very much for listening. It was killed in Lee New Hampshire in 1853. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Thank you. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal . So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. brings a lot of. lewis structure for ch2cl. Early in the morning. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. There's no attraction. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. It was killed in Lee New Hampshire in 1853. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. Rick van de Poll: Yes. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. We want answers. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. So so. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. We're not in the woods. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Why are there so many false positives? Peter Biello: Nice to be here. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. Thank you. The last documented individuals in the entire Northeast were killed in New Brunswick , Canada, in 1932, and Maine in 1938. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. "There is a very low possibility of seeing them in the. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. Wes Siler. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. So what counts as verifiable evidence? Listeners give us a call if you'd like. Mountain lion or cat running across. Mountain lion DNA was recovered from a Petersham, Mass., close to the New Hampshire border, after a 2016 incident in which a horse was injured. Thank you very much for being here. Caller: I have yeah. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. I found a second scat scent both to him. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. Let's look for other evidence. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. They kill big animals. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. Cougars are believed to have died off in New Hampshire in the 1880s after deforestation and hunting drove them to extinction, according to the 1950s book "A History of New Hampshire Game. A young male cougar weighing about 40 pounds was shot and killed this week near Whiteclay, Nebraska. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. And it's not really strong. On June 9 2021 I saw a Mountain Lion along the Connecticut river in Clarksville New Hampshire . So give us a call now. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. But if you were to get Western dispersing mountain lions just would just sort of expanding into New Hampshire. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. If so that's for us as an agency. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. These were normal everyday folks. This is the exchange. That's next time on one day. Well let's talk a little bit about that. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. That's too big for Bobcat. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Deer manages to free itself from the claws of a mountain lion in Alpine, California. Really appreciate it. Mike thanks for your call. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. What kind of animal is that. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Home; Archivos. The next day I crossed the river and took pictures of a paw print he left behind . And you know all that. Okay. It was not a bobcat. 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